How can we make theme if you finally stop themler?

wpexpertinbd
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wpexpertinbd posted this 22 August 2017

Hello,

I can see that you will never develop artisteer & themler support will end soon. and now you try to make Nicepage, as per my knowledge it's a page builder not a theme builder. So, in near future what software we will use for theme design, when you completely stop themler development ? May i need to search for another theme building software? or You will add theme building option nearly with Nicepage? What your actual plan, can you tell us? why you try to make new & new software after few years?

Thank you
Benjamin Biswas

Hello, I can see that you will never develop artisteer & themler support will end soon. and now you try to make Nicepage, as per my knowledge it's a page builder not a theme builder. So, in near future what software we will use for theme design, when you completely stop themler development ? May i need to search for another theme building software? or You will add theme building option nearly with Nicepage? What your actual plan, can you tell us? why you try to make new & new software after few years? Thank you Benjamin Biswas

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Support Team
Support Team posted this 22 August 2017

Hello Benjamin,

We plan to continue supporting Themler.
And yes, we plan to add theme features into Nicepage.

More information:
https://nicepage.com/blog/detail/12/new-artisteer-intelligent-designer

Sincerely,
Alex

Hello Benjamin, We plan to continue supporting Themler. And yes, we plan to add theme features into Nicepage. More information: https://nicepage.com/blog/detail/12/new-artisteer-intelligent-designer Sincerely, Alex

Last edited 02 May 2018 by Support Team

daveozric
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daveozric posted this 30 June 2019

Hello Benjamin,

We plan to continue supporting Themler.

Do you still stand by this statement?

> Hello Benjamin, > > We plan to continue supporting Themler. Do you still stand by this statement?
Support Team
Support Team posted this 02 July 2019

Hi Dave,

We do not plan to close Themler project at this time.

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Sincerely,
Olivia
Nicepage Support Team

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Hi Dave, We do not plan to close Themler project at this time. ................................................... Sincerely, Olivia Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 03 July 2019

Hi Dave,

We do not plan to close Themler project at this time.

And do not plan to developed Themler, right? So Themler will be on current state, with tons of wishlists, outdated libraries and bugs?

Is here a hope for Themler 2.0: fresh, fast, modern and stable, with good tutorial and documentation (as Nicepage have)?

> Hi Dave, > > We do not plan to close Themler project at this time. > And do not plan to developed Themler, right? So Themler will be on current state, with tons of wishlists, outdated libraries and bugs? Is here a hope for Themler 2.0: fresh, fast, modern and stable, with good tutorial and documentation (as Nicepage have)?
daveozric
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daveozric posted this 03 July 2019

No idea why they don't grasp the value of Themler. They never marketed the product, then wondered why it did not catch on. No other Joomla product is anything like this for theming. With a few improvements, it would be beyond reach. If there was another template builder anything close to this with stable developers I would have moved to it. I am sick of being nervous about my future every time I think about my websites.

No idea why they don't grasp the value of Themler. They never marketed the product, then wondered why it did not catch on. No other Joomla product is anything like this for theming. With a few improvements, it would be beyond reach. If there was another template builder anything close to this with stable developers I would have moved to it. I am sick of being nervous about my future every time I think about my websites.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 03 July 2019

Hi guys,

In the meantime, we're focused on Nicepage. Unfortunately, we're a small company and we do not have enough resources to develop both products at the same level. But we hope that as soon as Nicepage becomes stable and finished application, we'll be able to pay enough attention to Themler.
Even if we close Themler in the distant future most probably we'll add the ability to use it offline. But we do not plan to close it over the next few years at least.

...................................................
Sincerely,
Olivia
Nicepage Support Team

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Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp

Hi guys, In the meantime, we're focused on Nicepage. Unfortunately, we're a small company and we do not have enough resources to develop both products at the same level. But we hope that as soon as Nicepage becomes stable and finished application, we'll be able to pay enough attention to Themler. Even if we close Themler in the distant future most probably we'll add the ability to use it offline. But we do not plan to close it over the next few years at least. ................................................... Sincerely, Olivia Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
Giumarr
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Giumarr posted this 04 July 2019

Hi daveozric.
I, like you, initially wasn't inclined to switch to nicepage, because I was very familiar with themler.

However, as a customer I had the discount and I took the opportunity to take it.
I am currently very happy and would prefer use this

The choice that the team decided to make nicepage is clear after a while of using it.
Go faster than before.
You have to get carried away, it takes some study but I would never go back

Nicepage has some big advantages over themler.

1- For the contents go very fast, and they are very beautiful, more than 350 pages overflowing with sections.
2 - You can leave the license to the clients, pointing out that if they wanted to take it by themselves for joomla it is worth $ 129 per year.
3 - The html pages take the values ​​with google pagespeed and gtmetrix
4 - Even with joomla I have high values ​​google pagespeed and gtmetrix add jch optimize near 100%.
5 - For joomla there is no pagebuilder of this level
6 - For wordpress it has more competition but I still prefer this
7 - all plugins I tried with shorcode or code {} work

The only disadvantage is that there are a few options related to formatting, so in joomla I insert them with the extension "head css joomla"

Honestly, I highly recommend everyone to take it, something you want to do as well, but first of all we need to support the development team and encourage sales, if sales are going well there will be a way for them to return even on themler

Hi daveozric. I, like you, initially wasn't inclined to switch to nicepage, because I was very familiar with themler. However, as a customer I had the discount and I took the opportunity to take it. I am currently very happy and would prefer use this The choice that the team decided to make nicepage is clear after a while of using it. Go faster than before. You have to get carried away, it takes some study but I would never go back Nicepage has some big advantages over themler. 1- For the contents go very fast, and they are very beautiful, more than 350 pages overflowing with sections. 2 - You can leave the license to the clients, pointing out that if they wanted to take it by themselves for joomla it is worth $ 129 per year. 3 - The html pages take the values ​​with google pagespeed and gtmetrix 4 - Even with joomla I have high values ​​google pagespeed and gtmetrix add jch optimize near 100%. 5 - For joomla there is no pagebuilder of this level 6 - For wordpress it has more competition but I still prefer this 7 - all plugins I tried with shorcode or code {} work The only disadvantage is that there are a few options related to formatting, so in joomla I insert them with the extension "head css joomla" Honestly, I highly recommend everyone to take it, something you want to do as well, but first of all we need to support the development team and encourage sales, if sales are going well there will be a way for them to return even on themler

Last edited 04 July 2019 by Giumarr

daveozric
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daveozric posted this 04 July 2019

You nailed it, easy but limited. I am more interested in the customizations. Modules, etc. that Themler allows. Hopefully, 2 different products, both actively developed to work together.

Think of most of the Joomla template systems. Both typically offer a template framework and page builder. Not one or the other.

I want this, not NicePage.

You nailed it, easy but limited. I am more interested in the customizations. Modules, etc. that Themler allows. Hopefully, 2 different products, both actively developed to work together. Think of most of the Joomla template systems. Both typically offer a template framework and page builder. Not one or the other. I want this, not NicePage.
daveozric
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daveozric posted this 04 July 2019

I sometimes use a page builder and would love to have directly integrated products. Nicepage may be that product. If they unify the JS and BS or whatever the framework is so it's all the same. Low overhead, fast page loads, etc. A dream come true. I'll put that in a suggestion, great idea!

I sometimes use a page builder and would love to have directly integrated products. Nicepage may be that product. If they unify the JS and BS or whatever the framework is so it's all the same. Low overhead, fast page loads, etc. A dream come true. I'll put that in a suggestion, great idea!
wpexpertinbd
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wpexpertinbd posted this 05 July 2019

@daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied.

@daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied.
daveozric
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daveozric posted this 05 July 2019

@daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied.

I'd love to try it once it's more stable. It's not yet, so quite frustrating to me now compared to SP Page Builder. My issue is they won't come back and make some basic updates to Themler in the interim. Why do we have to wait so long for needed updates to Themler?

They promised us when we switched from Artisteer that this would be "The Product" of the future. Now we are all stonewalled and ignored while trying to run a business with their product. Very, very frustrating to say the least.

> @daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied. I'd love to try it once it's more stable. It's not yet, so quite frustrating to me now compared to SP Page Builder. My issue is they won't come back and make some basic updates to Themler in the interim. Why do we have to wait so long for needed updates to Themler? **They promised us when we switched from Artisteer that this would be "The Product" of the future.** Now we are all stonewalled and ignored while trying to run a business with their product. Very, very frustrating to say the least.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 05 July 2019

@daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied.

Can you share some projects with Themler + Nicepage?
I want to check with Google PageSpeed to be sure that this combination will have good SEO and Google rank.

> @daveozric , use themler for theme and for content use nicepage (WordPress). It's really a great combination. I used both product now & I am really satisfied. Can you share some projects with Themler + Nicepage? I want to check with Google PageSpeed to be sure that this combination will have good SEO and Google rank.
wpexpertinbd
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wpexpertinbd posted this 05 July 2019

@Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet.

@Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet.
daveozric
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daveozric posted this 05 July 2019

Themler may not be so great. Although with sites I build with only the core Joomla and Themler they are pretty fast. It's only when I have to add 3rd party stuff to offset what Themler refuses to develop it starts getting bad scores.

Come on Themler, don't let us down again.

Themler may not be so great. Although with sites I build with only the core Joomla and Themler they are pretty fast. It's only when I have to add 3rd party stuff to offset what Themler refuses to develop it starts getting bad scores. Come on Themler, don't let us down again.
Vogue Web Services
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Vogue Web Services posted this 06 July 2019

@Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet.

I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing.

> @Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet. I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing.
Vogue Web Services
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Vogue Web Services posted this 06 July 2019

The biggest problem is we were promised Themler would not be like Artisteer and it is looking like it has become like Artisteer and what will become of Nicepage in a few years. Will support dry up and updates as well like what has happened with Artisteer and now Themler?

The biggest problem is we were promised Themler would not be like Artisteer and it is looking like it has become like Artisteer and what will become of Nicepage in a few years. Will support dry up and updates as well like what has happened with Artisteer and now Themler?
Giumarr
125 Posts
Giumarr posted this 06 July 2019

@Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet.

I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing.

The nicepage templates, exported in html have mobile values> 90 and desktop> 95 with pagespeed insights
they are very well made
2 - The cost of nicepage is ridiculous compared to other alternatives, here you have 350 pages ready and increase every week
3 - For joomla the score does not depend on nicepage or themler.
You have to install jch optimize pro version, and you have the same values, I have about 99% on joomla
I also recommend pwt seo for joomla

> > @Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet. > > I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing. The nicepage templates, exported in html have mobile values> 90 and desktop> 95 with pagespeed insights they are very well made 2 - The cost of nicepage is ridiculous compared to other alternatives, here you have 350 pages ready and increase every week 3 - For joomla the score does not depend on nicepage or themler. You have to install jch optimize pro version, and you have the same values, I have about 99% on joomla I also recommend pwt seo for joomla
wpexpertinbd
16 Posts
wpexpertinbd posted this 08 July 2019

@Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet.

I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing.

Check my attachment, this is google own website results, while their own score is not good enough then how can we relay with their test results?

> > @Vitaliy WD, You can check this latest project: https://www.claracareservices.com . I just completed only design, no SEO yet. > > I checked your site it has a score of 34 out of 100 for mobile and better for desktop 70 out of 100 for me that is not a good thing. Check my attachment, this is google own website results, while their own score is not good enough then how can we relay with their test results?
Giumarr
125 Posts
Giumarr posted this 08 July 2019

@wpexpertinbd

All nicepage templates html have high values ​​in page speed by default

To have high values ​​with any cms is different, you need to have a cache plugin.

Joomla or worpress are more complicit than html, because they are in server side language (.php) and there are many js and connected files

To get high pagespeed values ​​with joomla or any other cms, you need a perl plugin to cache.

This applies to every cms and for every template whoever the producer is, you have to put unpligin for the cache

Buy jch optimze https://www.jch-optimize.net/subscribe/levels.html, the JMSTARTER or JMSuper versions are fine
These 2 you can install as many times as you want and on how many sites you want, the developer versions are useless (they only have support for unlimited domains), these versions are fine, the open software cannot limit the number of installations, so you can put them up all customer sites without buying the developer version

with this plugin and with well sized images you can stay with hoomla and nicepage all above 95% with any nicepage theme with joomla

@wpexpertinbd All nicepage templates html have high values ​​in page speed by default To have high values ​​with any cms is different, you need to have a cache plugin. Joomla or worpress are more complicit than html, because they are in server side language (.php) and there are many js and connected files To get high pagespeed values ​​with joomla or any other cms, you need a perl plugin to cache. This applies to every cms and for every template whoever the producer is, you have to put unpligin for the cache Buy jch optimze https://www.jch-optimize.net/subscribe/levels.html, the JMSTARTER or JMSuper versions are fine These 2 you can install as many times as you want and on how many sites you want, the developer versions are useless (they only have support for unlimited domains), these versions are fine, the open software cannot limit the number of installations, so you can put them up all customer sites without buying the developer version with this plugin and with well sized images you can stay with hoomla and nicepage all above 95% with any nicepage theme with joomla
Giumarr
125 Posts
Giumarr posted this 08 July 2019

@wpexpertinbd

All nicepage templates html have high values ​​in page speed by default

To have high values ​​with any cms is different, you need to have a cache plugin.

Joomla or worpress are more complicated than html, because they are in server side language (.php) and there are many js and connected files

To get high page speed values ​​with joomla or any other cms, you need a plugin for cache.

This applies to every cms and for every template whoever the producer is, you have to put a plugin for the cache

Buy jch optimze https://www.jch-optimize.net/subscribe/levels.html, the JMSTARTER or JMSuper versions are fine
These 2 you can install as many times as you want and on how many sites you want, the developer versions are useless (they only have support for unlimited domains), these versions are fine, the open software cannot limit the number of installations, so you can put them up all customer sites without buying the developer version

with this plugin and with well sized images you can stay with joomla and nicepage all above 95% with any nicepage theme with joomla

@wpexpertinbd All nicepage templates html have high values ​​in page speed by default To have high values ​​with any cms is different, you need to have a cache plugin. Joomla or worpress are more complicated than html, because they are in server side language (.php) and there are many js and connected files To get high page speed values ​​with joomla or any other cms, you need a plugin for cache. This applies to every cms and for every template whoever the producer is, you have to put a plugin for the cache Buy jch optimze https://www.jch-optimize.net/subscribe/levels.html, the JMSTARTER or JMSuper versions are fine These 2 you can install as many times as you want and on how many sites you want, the developer versions are useless (they only have support for unlimited domains), these versions are fine, the open software cannot limit the number of installations, so you can put them up all customer sites without buying the developer version with this plugin and with well sized images you can stay with joomla and nicepage all above 95% with any nicepage theme with joomla
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