Static Pages

Hello,

Thank you for your interest in Nicepage!

A static website is the most basic type of website and contains web pages with fixed content. Each page is coded in HTML and displays the same information to every user.
Your definition of static pages is more likely corresponds to dynamic pages.
With Nicepage you can build a complete site using the Nicepage Desktop application, export HTML files and publish it using a third-party Hosting service - static pages.
You can use the export function for further Import into CMS like WordPress or Joomla - Pages and theme. Nicepage page is based on the native Joomla article functionality. Nicepage theme works the same as any other Joomla theme.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

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Anna T
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Last edited 11 November 2021 by Support Team

Trust me I know what a static page is. as I started before there was CMS in 1995 and had just html. I haven't had a chance to download and look at newpage. My guess you are not really creating static pages from a joomla or webpress mysql database and just saving some content created in newpage to static html. That's the way artisteer worked.

I am asking about content already in mysql and creating static pages with a newpage template saved in a file structure so pages can be uploaded to a webserver and then browsed by the user just like it was when only in mysql. I used a program like this before joomla or wordpress but the program went out of development years ago when the programer died.

Wordpress has a plugin that does this but joomla does not that I can determine after all these years. I am trying to avoid converting a joomla website with 17,000+ pages to wordpress and then saving as a static website. It would be a very useful function whith in a program like newpage and not teriblly complicated to program. You can do something with wget in linux but would be better done straight from the database. All could reside on the same server with joomla on the backend and static pages on the frontend for a very fast website. I notice that we are starting to see these static page generators written in some very stange programing languages. You have ot excuse me as I started with fortran in 1967.

Hello,

Nicepage page in Joomla works similar to the native Joomla article. The only difference is that you can edit it only through the plugin.
The content part is located in a specific table created by Nicepage in the database. It is not a standard static HTML file. There is no option to edit, change or copy it. Joomla Nicepage Extension uses the page source code from the database to edit the page in the editor and generates HTML based on it, which is displayed on the front-end.

Nicepage software originally does not work like Artisteer. Some features are the same, but initially, it is way more advanced.

Anyway, you are free to try it and check all the possibilities.
Let us know if you have any other questions.
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Last edited 16 November 2021 by Support Team

Anna,

I installed it and did a quick template and installed on Joomla. There does not seem to be an ability to save a site to static files at this point. Did I miss it?

It is similar, but been a few years, to the program created by the artisteer folks that was beyond artisteer that didn't work well. This one seemed to respond OK. However I didn't spend much time with it to really evaluate.

My current template was one of the new generation like newpage and has worked well but the joomla extension and template development company is closing. So I will have to soon replace it and will look at newpage then for template purposes.

Too bad about no static page export when installed on joomla and I would guess wordpress as well. You should really look into that. Then you would have something useful and would standout from all the others.

The reason static pages may be useful is that google is beating us to death over speed. I cache my html pages 3 times and clouldflare spreads them all over the world to speed up rendering to the user. Still that is not fast enough. The only thing faster is static pages.

Where people are browsing with a desktop and with a fast internet connection my pages are extremely fast at 1-2 seconds. But with a mobile device and slow internet connection it could be 19-20 seconds. My average time worldwide according to google is 9-10 seconds. They want 4 to 5 seconds max. The only way to achieve that is by static pages, I think. Like in back to the old days. My site already out preforms the New York Times etc but not good enough when you have to try harder to be seen.

You are very close in your development to having something very useful. But it is not good enough for the vast majority of websites that already have a heavy stable of content except as a template creator. Best I can tell your static export would only work well for new content and has serious limitations as an editor. You don't need to recreate that function as wordpress and joomla already do a fine job. You just need to create the template and provide the export to static file function from the already existing mysql database. And that programing isn't that hard. Then you will truly have a winner rather than just another excellent template maker/site builder.

regards,
bobby, InnerSelf.com

Hey Bobby,

I think I can chime in and help clear some things up for you. I don't work for or represent Nicepage, just a WordPress dev trying to help out.

In your previous post you are mostly correct. Google does in fact favor fast loading sites in their search rankings. But the part you got wrong is this -

"I cache my html pages 3 times and clouldflare spreads them all over the world to speed up rendering to the user. Still that is not fast enough. The only thing faster is static pages."

There are plenty of other ways to speed up a website with or without a cms. Lets take your site, InnerSelf.com as an example. If you analyze it using Google's Page Speed Insights too you will see that you can save ~3.3 seconds by deferring off screen images. In WordPress you can do this by installing a plug-in. I'm not a pro at Joomla so I won't pretend to know how it works on that side of things. That is just one example but there are quite a few more things you could do to speed up your existing site or moving forward when building new sites.

As for your static export question - In the NicePage desktop application, you will see the option to export to WordPress, Joomla, or HTML. If you export to HTML you will get a zip with all your HTMl, CSS, JS, and image files. I think that is what you are looking for based on your initial question.

Feel free to respond if you have anymore questions.

Best,
Alex

Alex,
Thanks so much for your answer. Yes I am aware of the deferring images, lazy loading etc. There are several Joomla extensions as are wordpress but my experience with joomla is that none work perfectly so one has to make compromises. I am presently looking at the possibilities of converting to wordpress as developers are leaving the joomla business it seems or doing both. What will remain for joomla will most like be remnants. Looks like wordpress has won that war. By the way there is a wordpress plugin that will save a site to static pages. Am in the early stages of testing this idea. The reason I contacted these folks is their relationship??? with artisteer which was one of the early pioneers in this new templating concept and since my template devoper is leaving the business, I am going to need a new one and used artisteer for years before this one.

Can't confirm this really but Google doesn't seem to count deferral strategies in their speed rating. That rating seems to be tied more to the user's experience which would include their platform or their internet connection. While it does help the user experience that's not my concern regarding static pages. Keep in mind I have 17,000+ and each translated into 30 different languages so that makes 500,000 pages so I get to see a lot of pages rated for speed. It is rather erratic

I am not positive that static pages will help a great deal with google speed rating efforts but am sure it won't hurt. What I did not point out in this post is it will greatly reduce the hardware requirements.

The problem with clouldflare is they only cache about 45% of innerself.com and I don't know how much is html vs images. When the search engines hit my site at the same time they can bring my server down and I have to go on under attack mode and search engines don't like that and I swear they count it against you. I have even used mirrored load balancing but that has it challenges. What I haven't tried is static pages dispersed to cheap servers on every continent as I get traffic from nearly every country in the world every day and only 10% from the US.

But we all have our limitations. My wife and I created and run this site to spread a positive attitude to the world and because I am just one person wearing many hats every time I need to do the technical part I have to relearn. And problematic is where google use to pay me 1000+ a month in the old days they now pay me less than $3.00 a day for4 times the traffic. That doesn't even cover their bandwidth.

Again thanks for you comment, suggestions and you can contact me directly at bobby *&-at-?+ innerselfadmin.com.