Developers cannot use "all" of Joomla features?!!

Mr. Garrison
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Mr. Garrison posted this 04 August 2019

I've paid for and "tried" to use the "business" edition. At the time of purchase, there was NOTHING stating that I would have "limited" use of Joomla features.
After struggling with trying to learn how to use Nicepage, today I was trying to insert sidebars (something standard with Themler) and when I attempted to select a "Complex" grid in order to prepare a block for sidebars, I was met with a window telling me that I would need to purchase an upgrade to PRO in order to do that!
That makes NO sense at all.
Please tell me that's wrong!
I simply want to use Joomla as it's designed. Thus far, I've had no luck in creating a template to use with Joomla. All I can find is that I'm having to create multiple templates - 1 for the home page - 1 for the contact page - 1 that has sidebars....
This makes no sense. Nicepage was supposed to be "easier" than Themler. I find it's FAR less intuitive, and that's not good considering that there are a lot of problems with Themler.

I've paid for and "tried" to use the "business" edition. At the time of purchase, there was NOTHING stating that I would have "limited" use of Joomla features. After struggling with trying to learn how to use Nicepage, today I was trying to insert sidebars (something standard with Themler) and when I attempted to select a "Complex" grid in order to prepare a block for sidebars, I was met with a window telling me that I would need to purchase an upgrade to PRO in order to do that! That makes NO sense at all. Please tell me that's wrong! I simply want to use Joomla as it's designed. Thus far, I've had no luck in creating a template to use with Joomla. All I can find is that I'm having to create multiple templates - 1 for the home page - 1 for the contact page - 1 that has sidebars.... This makes no sense. Nicepage was supposed to be "easier" than Themler. I find it's FAR less intuitive, and that's not good considering that there are a lot of problems with Themler.
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 05 August 2019

Hi Thomas,

If you need something like Themler sidebar with module positions then you need to edit the theme templates (Post and Blog Templates) and add sidebars to these templates, then install this theme on your Joomla website. Sidebar, as well as Header, Footer, Menu, and module positions, is a theme element. It can be added in the theme only. The Grid is just a grid layout for the selected Block on the page you're currently editing. The list of available Grid styles is smaller in Business Edition than in Pro or Ultimate. This is mentioned on the pricing page:
https://nicepage.com/premium

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

...................................................
Sincerely,
Olivia
Nicepage Support Team

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Hi Thomas, If you need something like Themler sidebar with module positions then you need to edit the theme templates (Post and Blog Templates) and add sidebars to these templates, then install this theme on your Joomla website. Sidebar, as well as Header, Footer, Menu, and module positions, is a theme element. It can be added in the theme only. The Grid is just a grid layout for the selected Block on the page you're currently editing. The list of available Grid styles is smaller in Business Edition than in Pro or Ultimate. This is mentioned on the pricing page: https://nicepage.com/premium Please let us know if you have any further questions. ................................................... Sincerely, Olivia Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
Mr. Garrison
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Mr. Garrison posted this 05 August 2019

Hi Olivia,

Thank you for that. It's helpful, and discouraging at the same time. I bought Nicepage as a test. Thus far, as many problems as Themler has, I can still build something very nice without too much problem.

But Nicepage, learning curve aside, it's a handful to understand.

Would I be correct in saying that you no longer create a single "theme" for the entire site?
You create a home page theme, default theme, and then edit individual articles?

If that's wrong, then I'm confused. I created a home page and then assigned it to be the default template. Then every page had all of the same content and sliders.
When it came to the contact page, nothing I did with Nicepage would work unless I created another template just for that page.

There are a lot of videos and documentation. But it would take days to go through all of it without testing the software first. And the documentation that I have gone through was not helpful. Nor the videos.

Would it be correct state that Themler is a better "all around" software for templates, and that Nicepage is good to edit individual pages, but not necessarily a "default" template?

Thanks.
Thomas

Hi Olivia, Thank you for that. It's helpful, and discouraging at the same time. I bought Nicepage as a test. Thus far, as many problems as Themler has, I can still build something very nice without too much problem. But Nicepage, learning curve aside, it's a handful to understand. Would I be correct in saying that you no longer create a single "theme" for the entire site? You create a home page theme, default theme, and then edit individual articles? If that's wrong, then I'm confused. I created a home page and then assigned it to be the default template. Then every page had all of the same content and sliders. When it came to the contact page, nothing I did with Nicepage would work unless I created another template just for that page. There are a lot of videos and documentation. But it would take days to go through all of it without testing the software first. And the documentation that I have gone through was not helpful. Nor the videos. Would it be correct state that Themler is a better "all around" software for templates, and that Nicepage is good to edit individual pages, but not necessarily a "default" template? Thanks. Thomas
aplicacioneswebs
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aplicacioneswebs posted this 06 August 2019

Friend. Nicepage is designed to create content. It comes with function to add header and footer, but really this is valid to create content only. Themler to create the template, styles and positions and Nicepage to create the content. I use both currently that way.

Friend. Nicepage is designed to create content. It comes with function to add header and footer, but really this is valid to create content only. Themler to create the template, styles and positions and Nicepage to create the content. I use both currently that way.
Mr. Garrison
6 Posts
Mr. Garrison posted this 06 August 2019

Thank you, aplicacioneswebs.
You answered with what I had thought. Nicepage didn't make sense to me as an alternative for Themler, Artisteer or other template software.

I now have both Nicepage and Themler installed in my current project, but I seriously doubt I'll be using Nicepage.

I usually "start" with an overall template. I don't see the value in Nicepage to design 1 page at a time. If I wanted to do that I could simply create a template for a single page. I know that's not possible in WordPress, but I don't usually develop in anything other than Joomla anyway. And with Joomla you can have as many "active" templates as you desire.

Too bad admin at Nicepage didn't state that in any of the documentation "prior" to purchasing. I would never have purchased Nicepage in that case...and wasted valuable time in attempting to create projects with Nicepage.

Thanks.
Thomas

Thank you, aplicacioneswebs. You answered with what I had thought. Nicepage didn't make sense to me as an alternative for Themler, Artisteer or other template software. I now have both Nicepage and Themler installed in my current project, but I seriously doubt I'll be using Nicepage. I usually "start" with an overall template. I don't see the value in Nicepage to design 1 page at a time. If I wanted to do that I could simply create a template for a single page. I know that's not possible in WordPress, but I don't usually develop in anything other than Joomla anyway. And with Joomla you can have as many "active" templates as you desire. Too bad admin at Nicepage didn't state that in any of the documentation "prior" to purchasing. I would never have purchased Nicepage in that case...and wasted valuable time in attempting to create projects with Nicepage. Thanks. Thomas
Support Team
Support Team posted this 07 August 2019

Hi Thomas,

Nicepage Desktop creates both theme and content for WordPress. And theme and content can be used separately.

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Nicepage pages are not the templates for pages. These are content pages (WordPress page or Joomla article). In addition to this, there are there elements like header, footer and two templates (Post and Blog). You can use Nicepage Desktop to create themes, content or both. Comparing to Themler Nicepage provides less options for theme templates but the basic functionality is supported.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

...................................................
Sincerely,
Olivia
Nicepage Support Team

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Hi Thomas, Nicepage Desktop creates both theme and content for WordPress. And theme and content can be used separately. !np-theme.png! Nicepage pages are not the templates for pages. These are content pages (WordPress page or Joomla article). In addition to this, there are there elements like header, footer and two templates (Post and Blog). You can use Nicepage Desktop to create themes, content or both. Comparing to Themler Nicepage provides less options for theme templates but the basic functionality is supported. Please let us know if you have any further questions. ................................................... Sincerely, Olivia Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
Doug G.
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Doug G. posted this 10 August 2019

Olivia,

This is a big problem. The '5th block' on nicepage.com clearly states "Get Templates", The download page states "Nicepage comes with the biggest collection of ready-to-use website and block templates." These are patently false and misleading advertisement.

If the word 'template' or 'theme' is used, a developer assumes it includes the ability to create responsive front page for each CMS shown in addition to the standard features such as Articles, Blogs and Posts, Widgets (Wordpress) or Positions (Joomla).

Nicepage appears to offer this for Wordpress developers, it shouldn't be advertised as a theme creator for Joomla. At this point in time, it's little more than a content creator and editor that creates mobile friendly articles that can be used as anything but the home page on Joomla. Even the position support is lackluster at best.

I purchased a PRO license anticipating it would have this functionality as the two previous products did, but laid out simpler as my pre-purchase inquiries and answers indicated it had similar functionality but it flat out doesn't at this point in time. Since the other two are basically abandoned and not in active development, the Joomla community appears cast aside completely because Nicepage doesn't begin to replicate the functionality the previous two products had for Joomla at all.

I've not been able to create a useful template or theme for Joomla at all with it since my purchase. It may in the future, but that doesn't do me any good since my current license is likely to have expired by then and you all want me to purchase a upgrade to get the features I expected and need?

It is best I seek a refund so I can do that. Please let me know how to go about it. And don't make this private. Other Joomla developers need to see it before they purchase and the existing buyers likely want one too. So don't make it difficult for all of us to obtain one by hiding this and force each person to do so independently.

Olivia, This is a big problem. The '5th block' on nicepage.com clearly states "Get Templates", The download page states "Nicepage comes with the biggest collection of ready-to-use website and block templates." These are patently false and misleading advertisement. If the word 'template' or 'theme' is used, a developer assumes it includes the ability to create responsive front page for each CMS shown in addition to the standard features such as Articles, Blogs and Posts, Widgets (Wordpress) or Positions (Joomla). Nicepage appears to offer this for Wordpress developers, it shouldn't be advertised as a theme creator for Joomla. At this point in time, it's little more than a content creator and editor that creates mobile friendly articles that can be used as anything but the home page on Joomla. Even the position support is lackluster at best. I purchased a PRO license anticipating it would have this functionality as the two previous products did, but laid out simpler as my pre-purchase inquiries and answers indicated it had similar functionality but it flat out doesn't at this point in time. Since the other two are basically abandoned and not in active development, the Joomla community appears cast aside completely because Nicepage doesn't begin to replicate the functionality the previous two products had for Joomla at all. I've not been able to create a useful template or theme for Joomla at all with it since my purchase. It may in the future, but that doesn't do me any good since my current license is likely to have expired by then and you all want me to purchase a upgrade to get the features I expected and need? It is best I seek a refund so I can do that. Please let me know how to go about it. And don't make this private. Other Joomla developers need to see it before they purchase and the existing buyers likely want one too. So don't make it difficult for all of us to obtain one by hiding this and force each person to do so independently.
Mr. Garrison
6 Posts
Mr. Garrison posted this 11 August 2019

Doug,

I agree 100%!
I thought it was just me...trying to make a template.

Why they "boasted" about creating templates with Nicepage is beyond my comprehension. I only know that I'll stick with Themler.

And, like you, I feel I've been "sold" and would "TRULY" like a refund. But I'm guessing that's not going to happen.

Support?
What's the feedback?
Thomas

Doug, I agree 100%! I thought it was just me...trying to make a template. Why they "boasted" about creating templates with Nicepage is beyond my comprehension. I only know that I'll stick with Themler. And, like you, I feel I've been "sold" and would "TRULY" like a refund. But I'm guessing that's not going to happen. Support? What's the feedback? Thomas
Support Team
Support Team posted this 1 weeks ago

Hi,

I'm terribly sorry for the delay in replying. I have found this ticket unanswered in our database.
I'm not sure why you have the impression that Nicepage cannot produce a template. You can design the Blog and Post templates using the desktop application and also set the header and footer for all the site pages, that is also a template. There is no possibility to create other custom templates, but that was not advertised and it is also added to our wishlist.
Regarding the module positions, we allow adding them into the theme and content according to the Joomla functionality. The position can be added within the template part (header, footer, sidebar, Blog and Post templates) and also the existing position can be called anywhere within the content area, that is working with the Joomla loadposition functionality and that is the same for any Joomla theme.
You can find more about that here:
https://nicepage.com/doc/article/6700/how-to-use-positions-in-nicepage-joomla-extension

If you have issues with positions and templates, please consider to schedule the free demo with our stuff so we could help you with that:
https://nicepage.com/live-demo

...................................................
Sincerely,
Hella
Nicepage Support Team

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Hi, I'm terribly sorry for the delay in replying. I have found this ticket unanswered in our database. I'm not sure why you have the impression that Nicepage cannot produce a template. You can design the Blog and Post templates using the desktop application and also set the header and footer for all the site pages, that is also a template. There is no possibility to create other custom templates, but that was not advertised and it is also added to our wishlist. Regarding the module positions, we allow adding them into the theme and content according to the Joomla functionality. The position can be added within the template part (header, footer, sidebar, Blog and Post templates) and also the *existing* position can be called anywhere within the content area, that is working with the Joomla *loadposition* functionality and that is the same for any Joomla theme. You can find more about that here: https://nicepage.com/doc/article/6700/how-to-use-positions-in-nicepage-joomla-extension If you have issues with positions and templates, please consider to schedule the free demo with our stuff so we could help you with that: https://nicepage.com/live-demo ................................................... Sincerely, Hella Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
Mr. Garrison
6 Posts
Mr. Garrison posted this 6 days ago

Hi Hella,
I thought perhaps nobody was going to respond because I was correct.

In fact, I had another support agent, Olivia (above), wrote that Nicepage is ONLY for individual pages - NOT for creating templates. And, Doug G pointed out that the documentation clearly indicated "templates".

If you read the entirety of this thread you'll understand that I'm pretty upset and disheartened with my purchase.
And, as I stated, because I could not get anybody to address my concerns soon enough, I'm now "STUCK" with my purchase.

Now you are saying, in fact, Nicepage "can" be used to create templates.
So I'm terribly confused at this point.

...confused and disappointed...

Hi Hella, I thought perhaps nobody was going to respond because I was correct. In fact, I had another support agent, Olivia (above), wrote that Nicepage is ONLY for individual pages - NOT for creating templates. And, Doug G pointed out that the documentation clearly indicated "templates". If you read the entirety of this thread you'll understand that I'm pretty upset and disheartened with my purchase. And, as I stated, because I could not get anybody to address my concerns soon enough, I'm now "STUCK" with my purchase. Now you are saying, in fact, Nicepage "can" be used to create templates. So I'm terribly confused at this point. ...confused and disappointed...
Support Team
Support Team posted this 4 days ago

Hi,

Please check my reply above closely. I mentioned that Nicepage Desktop creates both theme and content for WordPress (and joomla). Nicepage plugin is a content builder only.

If you need a theme, you should use Nicepage Desktop. This theme includes options to customize colors, typography, Header, Footer. Also, the theme includes two templates: Blog and Post Templates. Unfortunately, you cannot create custom templates. This is what related to the THEME.

In addition to this, you can create pages. Nicepage page is not a template for CMS pages. Nicepage page IS a WordPress page. This is CONTENT.

So, you CAN create THEME for CMS and you CAN create CONTENT for CMS. But you cannot create new template for the theme.

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Terms "theme" and "template" in some cases are equal. Both these terms are used in the same meaning in different CMS. Joomla uses "template" term. WordPress uses "theme" term. In the context of WordPress, "theme" is a website design like default 2019 theme, "template" is a theme element (specific style for individual pages). So, Nicepage creates "theme" with two built-in "templates" and does not support the creation of additional "templates". Instead of this Nicepage creates Pages.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

...................................................
Sincerely,
Olivia
Nicepage Support Team

Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1
Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp

Hi, Please check my reply above closely. I mentioned that Nicepage Desktop creates both *theme* and *content* for WordPress (and joomla). Nicepage plugin is a content builder only. If you need a theme, you should use Nicepage Desktop. This theme includes options to customize colors, typography, Header, Footer. Also, the theme includes two templates: Blog and Post Templates. Unfortunately, you cannot create custom templates. This is what related to the THEME. In addition to this, you can create pages. Nicepage page is not a template for CMS pages. Nicepage page IS a WordPress page. This is CONTENT. So, you CAN create THEME for CMS and you CAN create CONTENT for CMS. But you cannot create new template for the theme. !wp-export-2.png! Terms "theme" and "template" in some cases are equal. Both these terms are used in the same meaning in different CMS. Joomla uses "template" term. WordPress uses "theme" term. In the context of WordPress, "theme" is a website design like default *2019* theme, "template" is a theme element (specific style for individual pages). So, Nicepage creates "theme" with two built-in "templates" and does not support the creation of additional "templates". Instead of this Nicepage creates Pages. Please let us know if you have any further questions. ................................................... Sincerely, Olivia Nicepage Support Team Please subscribe to our YouTube channel: http://youtube.com/nicepage?sub_confirmation=1 Follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nicepageapp
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